This is a bit ripped right off the “American Atheist” website. The introduction is written thusly, “It is a central dogma of all fundamental Christians that the Bible is without error. They teach this conclusion by “reasoning” that god cannot be the author of false meaning and he cannot lie. Is this true? If written by a perfect being, then it must not contradict itself, as a collection of books written by different men at different times over many centuries would be expected to contradict each other. With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.”
Point one - The Sabbath
The Sabbath Day “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8 “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5 I bet you didn't even read either of those verses, now did you? Think about what exactly you just called into question - The Ten Commandments. Exodus chapter 20 is the passage which gives us the account of the first time God gave Moses the two stone tablets whereon he wrote the Ten Commandments - with his own finger, that what it says, look it up. But you come around here talking about how it’s actually a contradiction based on your opinion of something found in the new testament in a book written by a lawyer who sat at the feet of arguably the most knowledgeable man at the time and learned? Uh, you can think that.
On to your point -
If you have a minute of time and read the surrounding verses in Romans you will that Paul is talking about each person having their own mind about things while maintaining the core central beliefs necessary to carry out the tasks assigned to followers by Christ. The point Paul is attempting is probably most clearly articulated in verses 7-9:
“7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.”
Paul stated in the Corinthians that he was glad he didn’t go baptize people in Corinth because they already were bickering about who was the spiritual father of whom and by whom they were indeed saved.
It became less about Christ, or God, or atonement, or the blood, and more about that individual who was proud of his spiritual heritage. Sounds more like first wave Christian Social Justice Warriors arguing over disciple superiority.
The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4 “… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10
So, what I’ve done is taken the liberty of not butchering these verses to make a point and give them to you wholesale and butchered - side by side for your consuming pleasure.
Ecclesiastes 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
On the screen we have both verses and there are a few commonalities we can find in both verses, like 1) the earth, which is clearly being represented in seemingly contradictory terms, seeing as Ecclesiates actually uses the verbiage “The earth abideth for ever”. The earth abides forever. One generation dies and a new one comes, one man lives and another dies, but the homestead will remain, the property will go on. This reminds me of the way some mechanics describe old school engines: something to the effect of ‘that there engine is made to last, the rest of the car will rust bucket away but that engine will keep on plugging away’. Which brings me to a second commonality in these two verses, 2) time. The verse in Ecclesiastes was written as a piece of wisdom concerning the earth at some point (almost any random point) in time, whereas the verse in 2 Peter is clearly not written about the same specific era.
“But the day of the LORD will come...” - referring to the future “...In which the heavens shall… the elements shall… the earth... and the works... shall” - referring to the future.
All the words are future tense; these are things that have not occurred. Reasonably speaking, the future spoken of in this verse is the destruction of the universe during which time, space, and matter are dissolved. Limiting the conversation to the “now” is problematic because our philosophically minded view of time is predicated on viewing time as a linear abstraction which continually moves “now” to the present to maintain continuity in our minds. All things considered, this is almost mind boggling, especially when compared to the incomprehensibility of eternity and the implications carried there with.
So let’s get back to this verse: Everything is destroyed because the day is the LORDs. Isn’t every day the LORDs? Nope. Sure we have the verse that clearly states, This is the day that the LORD hath made, but there’s no word of ownership in there. Go ahead check it out - Psalm 118:24. Check it out. I’ll wait and you can come back and we can talk about the difference in word choice between that verse in Psalm and this one in Romans 14:6
"6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."
The day mentioned here was clearly rendered to God. God made them all but one was given back and the day of the LORD was taken. It marks an ending. The earth therefore is rendered useless.
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30 “No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
Again, I have taken the liberty to give you the verses in full.
Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
This is reminiscent of the argument where Moses saw God in Exodus chapter 33, when the Bible tells us that when Moses had gone into the tabernacle God came down in a “cloudy pillar”; the words “cloudy pillar” refer to the form God chose to take, or the form most recognized by tangible association, and in this context God chose to not take on a temporal form (i.e., human flesh) opting to remain “unseen”. We do understand that this “cloudy pillar” was indeed God by way of the testament of the written Word, namely verses 9 and 10. It was also stated that the LORD (God) took on this cloudy pillar form with specific intention in Exodus chapter 13 explicitly. This was not the first time God appeared in non-human form, or it could be phrased - this was not the first time God appeared in unseen form; we can jump back to Exodus chapter 3 where God chose the form of a burning bush, and, if we do not include the accounts where God was recorded as “The Angel Of God”, we could jump over to Genesis chapter 18 to the peculiar case of the traveller. What was the case of the traveller?
The case of the traveller goes that Abraham and his wife, Sarai, were visited by three men. The Bible specifically mentions that one of them was the LORD in verse 3 and confirmed in verse 13. This, as is the case of Jacob wrestling with God, were God choosing to take on a temporary human form. So where does this claim of contradiction come from? It comes from the point of view that there is no rational position for the trinity because without that - without the trinity - this does become a silver bullet.
The concept of the trinity is one of a few central beliefs that are unique to the Christian faith. Think about it this way, water can take on three very different forms yet remain the same compound, scientifically speaking. It can be water when poured into the ice cube tray and placed into the freezer where freezes and hardens into a piece of common ice which may then be thrown onto a hot griddle to be melted rapidly and be lifted off in a bit of misty steam. Obviously the concept of the trinity is one that could stretch even the most nimble of minds, being united in purpose and sound mind yet remaining completely separate to and beyond the point of death.
This is important because God the Holy Ghost (who is the Holy Spirit and The Word), the creator as stated in John chapter 1, while the same God as God the Father is of different personage, as is God the Son, Jesus. Understanding it this way would mean the Bible, being the word of God, is a living, active document; or, to rephrase, we call it the Bible, but it’s name per the Author is the Word. Following this logic, we can, right now, read the physical, person of the Word (God the Holy Spirit), while Jesus (God the Son) lived and died then was resurrected, God the Father has only briefly, temporarily taken on human form. Those times- those moments - are presented in the passages mentioned.
Did they see God? In the form He chose, yes. But, they did not see God as He is in heaven.
That is where the misdirection takes place.
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21 [In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31 [The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34
So the Verses in full read:
Leviticus 18:21 “21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.”
Judges 11:29 - 34
“29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon. 30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, 31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. 32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands. 33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel. 34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.” Let’s put this right up front, humans performing human sacrifice is terrible. Per the God of the Bible, human value is inherent, although not without the possibility of being diminished by choices. Choices that will change the outcomes of situations, lives. Choices are a primary vehicle for change. In the verses mentioned above, the man clearly wanted to follow the leading of God, his intentions were in a good place but the actions that ensued were questionable. This man, Jephthah, was a warrior, victory is needed and God lead him. This is very much like when God told Peter to eat the unclean thing and Peter resisted, God told him and I’m paraphrasing here, boy I’m the lawmaker and I have made this unclean thing clean. This was a heavy decision and Jephthah kept his word. Out of curiosity, do you keep your word Mr. author man? Hmm? How about this, are your intentions good? Not divisive? While we’re asking tough questions, do you support abortion? You know, the killing of babies? Next.
The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26 “…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19 I do believe that by looking at the words of Jesus in full in this verse we see that there is a key detail missing. “26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” Do you really want God to force people to do stuff? Come on now. Next.
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25 “…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39 I think it’s only appropriate to start a verse earlier to give a little context. Mind you, the entire chapter to this point is discussing the issue of the servant. “22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” So, it’s one of these again, huh? No good move for a conservative because dealing with the bad guy means I’m not “following Jesus” but turning the other cheek means a pregnant woman gets beat up. I think you should pick a side here because a lot of this stuff is coming down to you making you look like you hate everybody. Next.
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10 “…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2 The way they are making this argument makes it read as though Christ had no purpose in coming to earth. Only a few verses later this is cleared up. Verse 6 “ For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.” It brings the point back to the central node of Christianity; CHRIST-ianity, those who lay claim to this name - this set of ideas and way of life - this perspective, are supposed to be following the example of Jesus Christ. Next.
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22 “And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17 [But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12 “And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16 Leviticus 20:17 “And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.” Genesis 11 “And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. 12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.” Let’s get the awkward out of the way: yes, Sarah was indeed the half sister of Abraham. I don’t want to downplay either part of this: 1) she was indeed a close member of his family, and 2) incest is still wrong. The question is: what exactly are the expectations concerning this? To refute it would require me to lie or ignore portions of the text, however I would like to remind you that this part, though written by God Almighty, was talking about a follower. I would like to mention an article found over at defending inerrancy .com which reads in part, “Abraham was not beyond sin, as his lie about Sarah to king Abimelech reveals (Gen. 20:4–5). And Abraham did admit that Sarah was “the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife” (Gen. 20:12). However, even granting this, there is no real proof Abraham violated any law for two reasons. First, the incest laws were not given by Moses until some 500 years after Abraham. So he surely could not be held responsible for laws that had not yet been promulgated. Second, the terms “sister” and “brother” are used with great latitude in the Bible, just as the terms “father” and “son.” Jesus, for example, was the “son” (i.e., descendant) of David (Matt. 21:15). “Sister” means a near relative, but it does not as such indicate the degree of nearness we understand by the word “sister.” Lot, Abraham’s nephew, is called a “brother” (Gen. 14:12, 16). Likewise, “daughter” can mean granddaughter or great granddaughter.” I’ll be upfront with you and admit I don’t know the level of legitimacy concerning lineage in question. There are records we aren’t covering for the sake of time for most of these that are well worth a read or study, which I’d be glad to participate in. But to call this a "contradiction" is a pretty far fetched idea. Next
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2 Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3 Proverbs 12:2 A good man obtaineth favour of the Lord: but a man of wicked devices will he condemn. The case of Job is a landmark for trusting God. 1st Corinthians 1:31 says, “ That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.” This frame that was made to position God as the victimizer requires God to be complacent toward his own creation, an evil God of sorts. God becomes the real jerk of the party who is incapable of being cheery or happy or being satisfied. The case of Job is simply this, Job trusted and God came through because had God not come through for Job, the entire story would have turned out different. Next
The Holy Lifestyle
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7 “…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30 Ecclesiastes 9:7 “ Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.” 1 Corinthians 7:30 “And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;” I don’t really understand where the contradiction comes in here, especially when you read both of these verses in context. So, let just remind you all to show your support by following my twitter and instagram where I do a lot of fun stuff and try to keep the updates rolling out on time. Next
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20 “I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5 Ezekiel 18:20 “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.” Exodus 20:5 “Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; There are two types of men mentioned in Ezekiel 18, one is just one is not, both have sons. Of the man who is unjust, it is said in verse 10, and I'm going to paraphrase here a bit - if the unjust man has a son who is vile and that son has a son who differs from his father's way of life the “son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son”. The effects, both good and bad, brought about by the actions of each person are seen by God. Some carry over multiple generations while others do not. Next.
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13 “And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1 I’m not going to spend a lot of time on this one because I found this really good explanation titled “How did God tempt Abraham?” By von Wolfgang Schneider. Check it out. Next.
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12 “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26 This is the same principle as people hating their brother unjustly are guilty of murder. Next.
Resurrection of the Dead
“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9 “…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29 You’re right. This one is indefensible. Next.
The End of the World
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33 “And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12 “Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18 “But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7 Here we have a set of verses that indicate a doomsday scenario. Let’s park here for a second. Almost all these verses refer to the end of the world or time as we know it, and all these verses have been pit together to show how dumb God is. But thats quite a statement coming from people who call the abortion of life a virtuous action.
Thanks for reading.